
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Álvaro Uribe Vélez with 80 percent and 68 percent approval ratings respectively are the two most popular presidents in the American continent, if not the whole world. Their popularity, however, stems from policies that are based on vastly different world views that tackle the same problems in distinct manners. One perspective is sustainable and socially just, while the other is not. If the former was applied in Colombia, the country’s centuries old ailments could be more directly dealt with.
Following Colombia’s news is an extremely engulfing affair that leaves virtually no time to understand more about other regional countries and their leaders – unless these other countries’ leaders have a political spat with Uribe. It was a recent interview given by the Brazilian president to CNN’s Fareed Zakaria that offered a glimpse to Lula’s political philosophy; socialism. The word, however, has such a negative connotation in the U.S., that CNN felt compelled to edit out Lula’s admission in a made-for-TV version of the interview – the podcast has the unedited version.
Lula’s explanation of how his political views were formed was the highlight of the interview. The former Union leader did not learn to read until he was ten years old and had to leave school two years later in order to earn money for his mother and seven siblings. He lived in houses where he needed to fight over space with rats and cockroaches. Lula knew what it was to go hungry. He knew the feelings of being unemployed for one year and a half. But Lula also felt the satisfaction of being the first member of his family to earn a vocational training degree. These experiences were fundamental for his crusade against the status quo that had subjugated the majority of Brazilians.
When the Brazilian press asked him whether he was a Marxist-Leninist he answered that he was a letha operator (his first formal job at the age of 14 in a copper processing factory). The answer was aimed at dispelling the prejudice that political labels could have. Nevertheless, in the CNN interview he proudly attested that he was a socialist:
“I consider myself a socialist, I consider that I have a world vision, that is, I would say, more just. I want a world with more social fairness where the state should fulfill the role to encourage development, to regulate society so that the poor are not victims of the speculators or of exploitation. But these things have to be built day by day. You have to build these things as you consolidate democracy because democracy is not a minor issue. It was only because of democracy that I managed to reach the presidency of Brazil, it was only through the democratic process that Obama reached the presidency of the United States, only because of democracy that a representative of the indigenous people rules Bolivia. So I value democracy.” -- Lula is not changing the constitution in order to contest a third presidential term.
Among the significant results that Lula’s policies have brought are: lifting 20 million out of poverty into the middle class, providing 10 million households with electricity and increasing the minimum wage every year (after taking into account inflation). Moreover, Brazil’s extreme inequality has been reduced by 20 percent. The fact that Lula used the word “poor” eight times while answering different questions in a 12 min long interview gives a glimpse to what his policies have been directed at.
Lula believes that inequality is the motor that keeps the wheel of social injustice spinning. The former President of the Union Workers’ Center emphasized that the role of the government is more than following the fraudulent trickle down economics where making the rich richer will eventually benefit the poorest. Lula tried a different approach. Such policies demonstrated that it was possible to stimulate economic growth while simultaneously improving income distribution. Subsidies have been at the forefront of Lula’s economic policies.
In contrast, Colombia’s remarkable macro-economic performance, fueled by unprecedented Foreign Direct Investment, has not led to poverty alleviation as the trickle down economic theory states. Pablo’s latest Colombia Reports column eloquently demonstrated the government’s economic failure. The failure is further exemplified by the USD millions in non-refundable and tax free subsidies (thanks to a senator, father of one of the beneficiaries) that were aimed at reducing the inequality in rural areas. The subsidies ended up in the hands of traditional landowners (major contributors to Uribe's presidential campaigns) and wealthy ex-beauty queens, rather than in the hands of poor peasants who could have realized their entrepreneurial spirit. It’s not surprising that former Agricultural minister and presidential candidate Andres Felipe Arias (aka as Uribito or little Uribe) devised the scam.Many would argue that policies implemented in Brazil cannot be introduced in Colombia given the two countries’ vastly dissimilar internal problems. But this would be taking a symptomatic perspective of Colombia’s root social, economic and political ailments. Colombia’s civil conflict with the guerrilla, and by extension with the paramilitaries, is rooted in inequality. If this inequality is not resolved with radical policies such as land re-distribution or with more pragmatic solutions such as sustainable social and educational programs then the ailments will remain. If the breeding ground for insecurity (misery) is not sanitized, nothing would have been achieved, but a militarized state with overcrowded jails and mass graves.
When official statistics indicated that inequality remained the same as in 2002 and poverty only decreased from 53.7 percent in 2002 to 46 percent in 2008 despite boom years; when three weeks later the UN stated that hunger is expanding faster than in Sub-Saharan Africa; and when one week later Colombia’s richest man, Luis Carlos Sarmiento, supported Alvaro Uribe for a third presidential term because of his policies, it is obvious the current government has ruled for the benefit of the few.
Electing a Union leader in Colombia may not be feasible; after all, they are all but exterminated extinct. Nevertheless, what Lula also demonstrates is the need for a fresher, humble and ethically impeccable figure whose political values seek to protect The People. But if the traditional elite or those representing the status quo like Alvaro Uribe (current president), Juan Manuel Santos (former Defense minister), Andres Felipe Arias (former Agriculture minister), German Vargas Lleras (an ex-president's grandson; read more about his “merits” here), Rafael Pardo (former Defense minister) and Noemi Sanin (former ambassador under different governments) win in 2010, then Colombia’s hundred years of solitude will continue.

gringomedellin
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... One you can not discount the fact of multi internal conflicts that face Colombia as much as you want to suit your point of view, two givien the fact that Colombia since 2002 has had to spend vast amounts on securtity something Brazil hasn't I think it has done well to reduce poverty by 7 plus percent , thus it has changed regardless of your unwillingness to amdit it has. So if you can get your FARC and ELN buddies to lay down their arms then maybe Colombia can address the [poverty level like it's names, better yet your our buddy Chavez to stop intefering in Colombia. It is clear with this article that the writer has a cleary bias , it is nice that he finally has come out of hiding |
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Adriaan
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... @ gringomedellin, If you are going to call any of our authors buddies of groups like the FARC, ELN or AUC, just because you disagree with their political views, you get an IP ban. You may want to keep in mind that it is difficult finding a Colombian whose family has not been a victim of one of these groups if not all of them. You are a guest in this country and you better show some respect to its people. If your intent is to offend someone, just because you disagree with him, you obviously are short of good arguments and you may as well not take part in the discussion. So, feel free to respond and express why you disagree with any of the authors. Use arguments. Don't be a jerk or you'll find yourself banned in no time. |
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tomtom33
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... Contrary to the oft-stated opinions of many leftists, I really don't believe that rich people spend their time trying to screw the little guy. Even in the evil US there is a great interest in fighting poverty. And there have been some successes. And yes, I know that more needs to be done. But the average standard of living in the US is not bad. Socialism seems fine on paper. In fact there are many socialistic aspects of US society and laws. The problem comes when you introduce people into the equation. Cuba, Venezuela, and the former Soviet Union illustrate the problem. I have spent time in Cuba and have no desire to ever return. Fair is sometimes difficult to define and even more difficult to implement. |
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Andrewmann552
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... Colombia needs another Jorge Eliecer Gaitan. The kind of problems Colombia has would devour Lula and spit him out. Plus, Lula is liked by the mainstream press because he really hasn't done much and has never really threatened the corporate, business interests that dominate Brazil. Like it or not, his social accomplishments in terms of education, healthcare etc., don't even come close to what Venezuela has accomplished. |
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mykleone
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... My biggest problem with Sebastian is he doesn't live in Colombia, yet believes everything negative he can find about the country. Something about living in Hong Kong must be bad for him. The second problem is his obvious belief that it is someone or something's job to guarantee equal outcomes. That doesn't happen anywhere. At least in Colombia the government appears to be struggling with guaranteeing equal opportunity. Sebastian’s principles and ethics are never stated because no one would read his nonsense if he ever came from that place of truth. Trade unions are the worst enemies of the average working person every designed by crooks. The ‘story’ about what it means that Colombia has the lowest level of union participation never tells the whole story. Most union workers would love to have what every Colombian worker gets without a union. Lula's support of the losing side in Honduras is not helping his popularity in Brazil. Figures lie and liars figure how to work the numbers to their benefit. All politicians and editorialist miss telling the whole truth as well. Perhaps instead of blowing air Sebastian should return to Colombia and run for President… oh? No one would vote for him! His idea of bringing people together is not about what works for everyone but what everyone could do to work for the state. |
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Laureles191
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... @Andrewmann552, two good articles for you. Read them and tell me how you could possibly think that Chavez is doing such a great job, or how you could think its not a dictatorship. Freedom of speech is the last thing you will find there, and I guess thats something you support since you think he's working such wonders with his policies... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/05/tens-of-thousands-protest_0_n_278231.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-amsterdam/hunger-strikes-expose-hug_b_304557.html |
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Andrewmann552
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... Laureles, thank you but we are all aware of the exploits of Venezuela's wealthy, upper classes. But I offer these FACTS, not just reports on protests which occur in every country. But here is the truth: In Venezuela the poverty rate has been cut by more than half, from 54 to 26 percent at the end of 2008. Extreme poverty has fallen even more, by 72 percent. The percentage of households in poverty has been reduced by 39 percent, and extreme poverty by more than half.Inequality, as measured by the Gini index, has also fallen substantially. Infant mortality has fallen by more than one-third. The number of primary care physicians in the public sector increased 12-fold, providing health care to millions of Venezuelans who previously did not have access. There have been substantial gains in education, especially higher education, where gross enrollment rates more than doubled from 1999-2000 to 2007-2008. Source Center for Economic and Policy Research 1611 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 400 Washington, D.C. 20009 202-293-5380 |
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gringomedellin
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... If my memory is correct this was a prior perspective written that tried to compare Uribe to Chevez, and now this one , what both failed to understand is Colombia may have simlar issues of proverty and unemployed, but that it was only Colombia that in 2002 had a president take office of a country in total chaos. The government didn't control the country it was controled by Paramitlitray groups and the FARC, today that is not the case, the Government has better control of the country, but at a great expensive, one that if thesenon government groups didn't exist would have given Uribe the resources need to address proverty and unemployement as agressive as Chavez and Lula have been able to. Colombia had to wait to secure the country before the economic investment came, to go back on maintaining security will result in Colombia losing economic investments resulting on losing the 7 percent drop in proverty and a higher unemployement then it has today. |
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tomtom33
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... Must be kind of stuffy in there, Andrew. My mother-in-law lives near Maracaibo and thinks that Hugo is God. People I spoke to when I was in Cuba a few years ago thought the same of Fidel. A good friend was born and raised in Maracaibo, and his parents still live there. He is very fearful for their safety. According to him there are no upper class Venezuelans left in Venezuela. Vacuna(extortion) is a way of life, and Caracas is one of the most dangerous cities in South America without the FARC, the paras and their ilk. The truth is the Venezuela is an economic basket case that is rapidly sinking. |
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Laureles191
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... Andrewmann552, Any fool with billions of dollars can make a few changes in his country and have it seem as if he's doing ground breaking work. Venezuela GDP(nominal) $319 Billion, per capita $11,388. Colombia GDP(nominal) $269 Billion, per capita $4,985. Venezuela's ppp GDP is approx. $31 Billion more than Colombia's, and Venezuela's population is only 60% the size of Colombia's. Considering these numbers, Venezuela could be doing alot better(and as mentioned ealier, this is without fighting an internal conflict severe like Colombia's). But even if you are impressed with his public policies funded by his extreme oil wealth, at what cost do they come? Your personal freedom of speech? A free media is one of the best ways to keep an administration in check. What good is the education improvements if the government is going to throw you in jail for disagreeing with the views and policies set forth by that administration(as described in the article I referenced earlier). Me, I rather be poor and free any day of the week. And Sebestian, I mention Venezuela in response to your supporter Andrewmann's (who is anti-Uribista) comment about the Venezuela. |
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Andrewmann552
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... tomtom33, you basically added nothing to the discussion. Scholars like Eva Golinger have connected the rise of kidnappings in Venezuela to the infiltration of right-wing paramilitaries from Colombia into Venezuela, in 2004 over 100 were captured in land belonging to Roberto Alonso, now exiled in Miami. A good article on the topic can be found at: http://www.chavezcode.com/2009/09/exclusive-assassination-attempt-against.html Laureles, you can't expect a Third World country, sacked and looted for decades, to completely turn into Switzerland in a few years, you have to deal with social, cultural realities plus an embedded upper class determined not to let the status quo change. There is no serious scholarship which supports your claims about freedom of speech in Venezuela, consider that 96% of all media remains privately owned. Colombia is still ranked as the #1 human rights abuser in the hemisphere followed by countries like Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, El Salvador and now Honduras under Micheletti. Wake up and smell the thorns my friend. |
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tomtom33
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... I guess that scholars like you and Eva know it all. Why couldn't I have figured out that the Colombian paras were causing all the problems in Caracas? |
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Laureles191
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... "So, we're not going to discuss Lula at all?" I guess we have to run through the usual suspects first... |
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Laureles191
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... Well I guess its not as easy dealing with human rights problems when you neighbor is funding the terrorist activities in your country. And don't tell me there is no "scholarship" to support this because there is multiple peices of evidence supporting this, confirmed by Interpol. Uribe has brought this country miles further than past presidents and the people support him (as this article states), but you're right, you know exactly what Colombia needs because its so easy. I would love to talk about Lula now, unless you've decided to unveil your master plan for Colombia, and please don't tell me it involves genetically cloning Jorge Eliecer Gaitan, I'm not sure if scientists have perfected that yet. |
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Adriaan
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... @ Laureles191, I seriously want to offer you and Andrewmann552 a number of beers (I am buying) and just watch you guys bicker all night. The article was about Lula. If we are going to change the subject completely, why don't we talk about Sara Corrales más bien? (I'm serious about the beers. If you both are in Medellin I am buying) |
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Andrewmann552
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... Adriaan, thank you for the invitation. Unfortunately I am currently doing research in Mexico. I will let you know when I am in Medellin, and I would not reject the opportunity of drinking a nice cold one with you and Laureles. But ok, let us discuss Lula. According to the UN, half of Colombia is going hungry, multinational corporations are almost owning the country and the US is being given access to seven military bases. Although you can't genetically clone Gaitan, I believe Colombia needs a leader more along those lines of independence and strength, someone who does not cater to imperial or Chavista interests. Lula as I stated earlier, is adored by the US and its European servants because he doesn't rock the boat and leaves corporate interests alone (top members of his own Workers' Party of left, complaining about the lack of real, radical action). I was surprised at his actions concerning Honduras, since that was the first time in a while he seemed to finally be the militant he campaigned. But I believe Colombia's problems would be too much for a softy like Lula, FARC, the paras, the oligarchy, they would all make sure he wouldn't be able to even get a second term. |
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gringomedellin
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... interesting Forbes Mag has come out with the following http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/...ed=25000 1) India with a net employment outlook of +34% 2) Brazil +21% 3) Taiwan + 17% 4) Singapore +14% 5) Colombia +13% (experienced the largest employment growth of all countries). So Colombia under Uribe is not as bad as his ritics like to make it out to be |
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Adriaan
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... @ gringomedellin Can you send the link again? What you say is kinda contradictory to what the stats show, as Brazil seems to be doing much better than Colombia. Mind you, Colombia's unemployment rate has been skyrocketing lately: http://colombiareports.com/col...ugust.html |
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Mykleone
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... Poor Sebastian, his request for debate while never debating, offers his usual flawed sentiments. “The irrationality of progressives' doctrine also precludes beneficial argument or debate. When another's principles are based upon fallacy and devoid of reason, when logic is convoluted and infinitely mutable, and all rhetorical and perceptual roads lead to a foregone, preferential conclusion, it is folly to engage that individual. In such cases, the flawed pretext of granting our errant fellows their fair and evenhanded due is recklessness.” The cult of the left practices personality idolatry for those it adores and personal destruction for those it abhors. Colombia as a republic operates based on laws [hopefully] at the consent of the governed. Conversations based on the play of personality disorders are nonsense. It is impossible to have a discussion much less a debate when no one wishes to agree on anything, not on context, not on how 'facts' will be used, not even on the meaning of words or the actions of principles. My failure to teach rocks to talk or pigs to sing is my waste of time. I am not paid for it however. Far too many others are. |
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Adriaan
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... LOL!!! Did you yourself understand what you just said?! I always get the idea that those overusing difficult words are only doing so to conceal what they're actually trying to say is a load of rubbish. What "irrationality of the progressives" doctrine are you referring to? and what do you mean when you say "to preclude beneficial argument or debate"? Come on, man, use the language to make a point, not for some pseudo-intellectual linguistic pissing contest about nothing. |
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Mykleone
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... Funny, THAT is my point about Sebastian and most of the what I read here. Clealy you understand the words but you don't comprehend the meaning. |
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Adriaan
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... Unlike Sebastian, who uses quotes and common logic to explain his opinion, you just put a lot of nonsense in three sentences. If your point was that Sebastian is talking a lot of rubbish, you surely failed to say it understandably or to support this with examples. |
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Mykleone
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... Clearly Adriann, you and CR are a waste of my time. Do me a favor and ban my ip from your irrational fumes. I have yours. |
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Laureles191
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... Adriaan, I am begining to think that maybe it is myself and Andrewmann who should buy you and Mykleone a beer... |
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J. Rebel
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... Lula is a socialist and Uribe is a capitalist Colombia's crime problem is miniscule compared to the unreported problems in Brazil. Brazilian industrial quality is known all over the world as being in the bottom 10% in quality. Drive a car made in Colombia vs one made in Brazil and you will quickly understand the differences. I am a farmer and would not take a Brazilian tractor if given to me. Sabastian, you are comparing a country the size of the US with a population of 240,000,000 vs a country the size of Texas with 45,000,000. Due to a prolonged civil war, Colombia has not been the choice of international investors and changing the government to a socialist state would not improve the conditions of poverty here where I live in Colombia. Let us watch the national debt of Brazil vs Colombia over the next few years and see who fares better. I place my bets on Colombia and capitalism, not socialism. |
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gringomedellin
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... here is another story praising Colombia , appeared in The Banker http://www.thebanker.com/news/...e=NO_PAGE it states latin America has held up better inthe downturn and singles out both Colombia and Peru as the best |
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theOblate
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... The articles first sentence states that, "Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Álvaro Uribe Vélez with 80 percent and 68 percent approval ratings respectively. The writer needs to revisit what he wrote and make the correction. Uribe stands at 80% to 85% depending on which polls and Lula da Silva stands at 61%. And Adriann who are you to threaten to ban anyone? Free speech is just what it means. Free. You need to go back to your country or the rock you live under and take a breath. I cannot see any credibility in anything you say other than to demean people. Credible in that they are not written by someone with a hatred of who or what is written about. People of all political opinions have an inherent right to say what they want...you have the right to listen or not to listen. If you remotely have any display of intelligence you must listen to dissent in any form it takes. You do not have to agree but to call someone out because he calls someone an idiot or a buddy or a fool only shows your childish ignorance. This is the kind of crap that Hugo and his huggies like to state. And since I doubt that you have anything to do with Colombia reports at all, I suggest that you go and visit some of the few leftist web sites out there who might believe your rhetoric. Debate and free speech belong in an open society. |
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Adriaan
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... @ theOblate, My right is that I own Colombia Reports and i don't want discussions in the comment section to result in name calling or painful accusations. This is why I try to correct people and that's why people who simply break the rules of this website get a ban, which by the way has only happened twice in 1,5 year. If the discussion forum isn't somehow monitored and discussions end in name calling, using foul language and making false or hurtful accusations, the majority of readers will find this offensive or at least unpleasant to read. The comment section is for you to correct the writers or other participants in the discussion like you just did (you come up with other numbers that Sebastian did, which forces him to double check his sources). So, go take part in the discussions, absorb the facts and opinions this website and the participants in discussions offer you and give feedback. Just don't call people names, use foul languages or make hurtful accusations. It's unnecessary. |
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theOblate
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... adriann, "Just don't call people names, use foul languages or make hurtful accusations. It's unnecessary. Calling public figures derogatory names is not hurtful and sometimes true. What should I call Pablo Escobar that would best describe him? You produce a good site but, the main problem is the inordinate amount of liberal left wing comments by the readers. If this is your intention then so is it but, if you also seek credibility then you need to show both sides of a debate equally. For me, I think it would be a good idea to take one article per week (like this one) and invite 2-4 readers to make a pro and con statement. This will weed out several of the readers in here whose only purpose is to criticize. In fact you have one reader that I know who used to ne a member of “Poorbuthappy in Colombia” but, was kicked out because of his constant criticism and language. Now he is here. |
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Adriaan
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... Hi the Oblate, You're right. I meant to say don't call contributors or readers names I can't really do much about who reads the site or comments on it. As the editor I try to find a balance in who are regular contributors of articles. I only delete comments that I consider grieving or ignoring common decency. I'm pretty liberal in this though. As the site is still growing and developing, this "policy" may change over time. I don't know how PBH does its editing, but this is a newsy website, while PBH is a forum, it has very different dynamics. Most of the content you find here is produced by staff, while PBH completely depends on the contributions of its members. We'll just see how things develop over time. I hope the comments section will stay "clean" and constructive |
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theOblate
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... Thanks for your response. In the future I will try to be more mindful of my comments to or about others. I still like the pro/con article idea though. I enjoy reading what ordinary people say (if there is such a thing about ordinary people) for example; I would like to know more about Chavez other than all of the derogatory stuff, especially his beliefs and political thoughts. For most people when you mention his name a string of expletives becomes the tone of the conversation. The same with Uribe. Uribe has many critics but, you just cannot deny the positive things he has done since he has been President. Nothing less than incredible…Obama should be so lucky! Yes his current approval ratings are around 70% but, overall his ratings have been in the high 80's to low 90's. The one major blot on his record is the dismal portrayal of human rights among unions and labor groups. He has to accept failure on this. I enjoy reading your Reports and I will be more mindful in the future. |
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Adriaan
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... We will continue writing and challenging your and others' ideas, PUES (It's seriously a lot of fun) |
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